Hancock Claims Ancient Sages Organization Passed Knowledge Through Millennia to Kings
"There appear to have been organizations in each of these civilizations. In Egypt, they were called the Followers of Horus. In Sumer, they were called the Apkallu. They served as advisers to kings. They were called sages. Many cultures refer to them as the Seven Sages. They provided advice to kings in the historical period. And I'm wondering whether we're looking at some kind of long-lived organization here, which is carrying down information, looking for the right time to switch the engine of civilization back on again."
About this episode
In a deeply personal and wide-ranging interview, author and alternative historian Graham Hancock sat down with Steven Bartlett on The Diary of a CEO to discuss his decades-long investigation into a potentially lost episode of human civilization dating back 20,000 years. Hancock opened by revealing he faces major heart surgery this month with a small but real risk of death, and chose to do this interview specifically because a hostile journalist has been preparing a damaging story about him for over two years. He didn't want that piece to be the last word on his life's work. The conversation centered on Hancock's core thesis: that myths, ancient maps, astronomical knowledge encoded in monuments like the Great Pyramid, and geological evidence of the Younger Dryas cataclysm 12,800 years ago all point to a sophisticated maritime civilization that was largely destroyed by comet impacts and global flooding. Hancock argued this knowledge was preserved by secret societies of sages across cultures—the Followers of Horus in Egypt, the Apkallu in Sumer—who advised kings and waited for the right moment to restart civilization. He presented evidence including the Great Pyramid's precise alignment to true north and its incorporation of Earth's dimensions on a scale of 1:43,200, a number derived from the precession of the equinoxes that appears repeatedly in global mythology. Hancock issued a stark warning that modern civilization exhibits all the mythological patterns that preceded ancient collapse—technological hubris, moral corruption, divisive nationalism—and that nuclear war could make us the next lost civilization unless humanity awakens to its interconnectedness. The discussion became intensely personal as Hancock described childhood trauma watching his surgeon father dissect executed prisoners in India at age five, explained how 80 ayahuasca journeys taught him to confront his anger and mistakes, and spoke emotionally about his wife Santha's role in holding together their blended family of six children. He passionately defended his work against accusations of racism and grifting, called for mandatory ayahuasca sessions for world leaders, and urged humanity to stop worshiping science as religion and instead use it as one tool among many for understanding reality.
Key takeaways
- Hancock revealed he faces potentially fatal heart surgery this month and did this interview to counter a hostile journalist preparing a two-year hit piece against him.
- Hancock argues a sophisticated lost civilization existed 20,000 years ago with advanced astronomy and seafaring, evidenced by myths, ancient maps, and monuments like the Great Pyramid.
- The Great Pyramid encodes Earth's dimensions on a scale of 1:43,200, a precessional number found in mythology worldwide, indicating knowledge not supposed to exist 4,500 years ago.
- Secret societies of sages called the Followers of Horus in Egypt and Apkallu in Sumer may have preserved pre-flood knowledge and advised kings to restart civilization.
- Hancock warned modern civilization exhibits all mythological patterns preceding ancient collapse—hubris, moral decay, nationalism—and nuclear war could make us the next lost civilization.
- Hancock disclosed childhood trauma of watching his surgeon father dissect executed prisoners at age five in India, contributing to lifelong feelings of abandonment.
- Hancock proposed mandatory ayahuasca sessions for world leaders before they can seek office, claiming the medicine would disqualify most current power-seekers through self-awareness.