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412 ‒ The evolving science of cancer: emerging approaches to prevention and early detection, & more

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412 ‒ The evolving science of cancer: emerging approaches to prevention and early detection, & more ▶

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Peter Attia speaks with oncologist and author Siddhartha Mukherjee about developments in cancer prevention, early detection, and treatment since Mukherjee’s book The Emperor of All Maladies. Mukherjee argues US cancer mortality is generally declining, while pointing to worrying counter-trends including rising early-onset colorectal cancer and a plateauing decline in breast cancer mortality. On prevention, he emphasises expanding genetic risk knowledge beyond single high-penetrance mutations, and proposes that inflammatory and metabolic states may help determine whether mutation-bearing “sleeper” cells progress to clinically apparent cancer.

On early detection, Mukherjee cautions against deploying multi-cancer blood tests broadly in average-risk populations due to false positives and limited mortality impact, but suggests they may be more useful for high-risk groups. On treatment, he highlights checkpoint inhibitors, CAR-T therapies for certain blood cancers, and new targeted drugs for KRAS-driven cancers, including the prospect of moving such drugs into adjuvant trials after surgery.

The conversation also explores AI’s role in oncology and ageing research. Mukherjee cites an AI analysis of CT scans that reportedly found thymus presence/size correlated with lower disease burden, suggesting immune ageing as a potential intervention target. The pair discuss how GLP-1 drugs and insulin biology might intersect with cancer outcomes, and the limits of current institutional funding for “wellness” and longevity science compared with disease-focused research models.

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Health, Longevity & Biohacking

Mukherjee says US cancer mortality is falling, but younger colorectal cases rise

Siddhartha Mukherjee · at 4:18 · Attributed speaker claim
We know almost certainly that most cancers are in uh mortality across the population in the United States are going down. So, we are actually making progress. The idea that cancer is exploding and and killing everyone in the population is nonsense.

Siddhartha Mukherjee says overall cancer mortality in the United States is declining, and argues this reflects progress against the disease. He says colorectal cancer is rising among younger people and that the long decline in breast cancer mortality is starting to plateau, with some other cancers increasing.

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Mukherjee says early-onset colorectal cancer rise remains a mystery

Siddhartha Mukherjee · at 5:40 · Attributed speaker claim
In In the case of endometrial cancer in women, it's most likely because of increasing rates of obesity. Um and um but the rest of it is a is a mystery and the colorectal cancer business is a complete mystery.

Siddhartha Mukherjee says researchers still lack a clear explanation for rising colorectal cancer rates among younger people. He argues endometrial cancer is more likely increasing because of higher obesity rates.

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Mukherjee says GLP-1 add-on cancer trials should be randomised

Siddhartha Mukherjee · at 37:40 · Attributed speaker claim
I think it's a beautiful study. It would be a beautiful study. You would You would randomize patients with on GLP-1 versus on not GLP-1. You would not GLP-1. You would study their insulinemic response versus their weight loss response.

Siddhartha Mukherjee argues a randomised trial should test standard cancer care against standard care plus a GLP-1 agonist, though he says he does not know of any formal proposal. He suggests focusing on cancers linked to obesity and metabolism and measuring insulin-related effects separately from weight loss; Peter Attia says randomised studies would reduce confounding versus observational data.

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Mukherjee describes correlational CT-scan analysis where thymus presence tracked with fewer diseases including cancer

Siddhartha Mukherjee · at 58:18 · Attributed speaker claim
And they found one marker. And it was the presence or absence of an organ called the thymus.

Siddhartha Mukherjee says he recently heard a talk about using AI to analyse CT scans for features that correlate with outcomes such as longevity and disease. He says one reported marker was the presence or absence of the thymus, adding that in the work he described, people with an “intact thymus” tended to have fewer diseases including cancer, while emphasising the result was correlational rather than causal.

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Health, Longevity & Biohacking

Mukherjee says he helped launch low-cost CAR-T provider in India

Siddhartha Mukherjee · at 1:06:23 · Attributed speaker claim
I created the one of the first CAR T cell companies in India where we sell the therapy for 1/20th the price that it's uh that's available in the United States. We've treated almost 150 odd patients. Uh maybe coming up to 200 soon.

Siddhartha Mukherjee says he helped create one of the first CAR-T cell companies in India and claims it offers therapy at about one-twentieth of US prices. He says the programme has treated around 150 patients so far, with numbers approaching 200.

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Mukherjee says CD19 CAR-T also wipes out healthy B cells

Siddhartha Mukherjee · at 1:07:51 · Attributed speaker claim
The CAR-T cells that kill B cell leukemias and lymphomas don't just kill B cell leukemias and lymphomas. They kill all B cells.

Siddhartha Mukherjee says CD19 CAR-T responses in some B-cell blood cancers can last because the therapy targets healthy B cells as well as malignant ones. He argues people can survive without B cells, which helps explain why similar CAR-T strategies are harder to apply safely to solid organs.

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Mukherjee says ‘forever chemicals’ and microbiome shifts may drive early colorectal cancer

Siddhartha Mukherjee · at 1:21:04 · Attributed speaker claim
we are ingesting more and more forever chemicals. Um, and there is strong evidence from animal models that some of these forever chemicals including the ones that are ingested in food are very pro-inflammatory.

Siddhartha Mukherjee says he does not know what is causing rising colorectal cancer in younger adults, but offers speculative hypotheses. He suggests the colorectal environment may have changed, pointing to greater ingestion of ‘forever chemicals’ and animal-model evidence some are pro-inflammatory, alongside gut microbiome disruption from antibiotics and diet.