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Smile, Or You're Doing It Wrong: Andy Glaze On Relentless Positivity, PTSD, & The Healing Power Of Movement

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Smile, Or You're Doing It Wrong: Andy Glaze On Relentless Positivity, PTSD, & The Healing Power Of Movement
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On this episode of the Rich Roll Podcast, host Rich Roll interviewed Andy Glaze, an ultra-endurance athlete, paramedic, and author known as the smiling ultra runner. The conversation centered on Glaze's harrowing journey from severe crystal meth addiction as a teenager to becoming one of the world's most inspiring endurance athletes, currently maintaining a 320-week streak of running 100 miles per week. Glaze revealed for the first time publicly that he was sexually abused by a teacher at age 16-17 while attending John Dewey Academy, a therapeutic boarding school in Massachusetts, and that the teacher continued the pattern with other students and eventually became pregnant by one of them. The episode explored Glaze's descent into addiction at age 15 following his father's terminal cancer diagnosis, his placement in abusive therapeutic programs including wilderness camps and a boarding school that practiced conversion therapy, and his multiple cycles of sobriety and relapse. Most significantly, Glaze disclosed that after using ultra running to manage severe PTSD from his work as a paramedic for five years, it has recently stopped working, forcing him to seek therapy including EMDR and CPT. The conversation examined the complex relationship between addiction and extreme endurance sports, with Glaze acknowledging he has an obsessive-compulsive relationship with running that may be masking rather than healing underlying trauma. Roll and Glaze discussed transformation as a decades-long process requiring patience, the importance of failing forward, and how personal growth serves others beyond oneself.

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Health, Longevity & Biohacking

Firefighter Paramedic Reveals PTSD Symptoms No Longer Controlled by Ultra Running

Andy Glaze, a paramedic and ultra-endurance athlete, disclosed that he has relied on extreme distance running to manage severe PTSD from years of witnessing traumatic scenes on the job. He revealed that after 5 years of using running as his primary coping mechanism, it has recently stopped being effective, forcing him to seek therapy including EMDR and CPT. He also addressed the suicide crisis among firefighters that is rarely discussed publicly.

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Crime & Justice

Former Crystal Meth Addict Details Sexual Abuse by Teacher at Therapeutic School

Andy Glaze revealed for the first time in his book and on this podcast that while attending John Dewey Academy, a therapeutic boarding school, he was groomed and sexually abused by a female Spanish teacher when he was 16-17 years old. He disclosed that the teacher continued the pattern with other students after him and eventually became pregnant by another student. Glaze expressed guilt for not reporting it at the time, fearing retaliation within the school's confrontational therapeutic environment.

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Health, Longevity & Biohacking

Ultra Runner Says He Did Crystal Meth at Age 15 to Cope with Father's Terminal Cancer

Andy Glaze described his descent into severe crystal meth addiction at age 15, attributing it to his inability to process his father's terminal cancer diagnosis. He had unlimited access to meth through a friend whose father sold to biker gangs in Southern California, leading to severe addiction including smoking meth out of light bulbs and doing a line as long as his arm for his 16th birthday. He eventually ran away from home and was found emaciated and strung out by off-duty cops his father hired.

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Psychology

Paramedic Questions Whether Ultra Running is Masking Addiction Rather Than Healing Trauma

During a candid exchange with host Rich Roll, Andy Glaze acknowledged the complex relationship between his recovery from substance abuse and his extreme ultra-running career, including a 320-week streak of running 100 miles per week. He admitted that while he has an obsessive-compulsive relationship with anything he does, he questions whether his running satisfies addictive cravings or genuinely promotes healing, concluding that it has primarily been masking PTSD symptoms rather than addressing root trauma.

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Society

Therapeutic Boarding School Conducted Conversion Therapy and Forced Student to Watch Movie About His Parents

Glaze described abusive practices at John Dewey Academy, a therapeutic boarding school in Massachusetts where he was sent after rehab. He detailed conversion therapy attempts on a gay student involving forced humiliation, and an incident where a student whose mother murdered his father was forced to watch a Lifetime movie dramatization of the killing in front of the entire student body. Glaze characterized the school's aggressive group therapy methods as weaponizing fear and shame.

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