Ukrainian Population Collapses to 25 Million with Only 10 Million Working Adults
"Now with around 10 or plus, 10+ million of Ukrainians turning into refugees, going to the West, some stay in occupation, you know, Eastern countries, and even some in Russia, perhaps there are around 25 million Ukrainians in the country. And the worst thing is that 11 million of them are retired people."
About this episode
Tucker Carlson interviewed a former press secretary to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky who worked in his administration from 2019 to 2021, in what she describes as a high-risk effort to expose the Ukrainian leader as an obstacle to peace. The whistleblower—who requested anonymity citing fears of imprisonment or assassination—alleges Zelensky is a cocaine-addicted malign narcissist who explicitly demanded 'Goebbels propaganda' from his staff, privately promised Putin in 2019 that Ukraine would never join NATO, and personally agreed to cede Donbas in the 2022 Istanbul peace negotiations before reversing course. She claims Zelensky's government is systematically corrupt, with the president approving money laundering schemes tied to social welfare budgets while pensioners die from cold and hunger. The insider describes Ukraine's population collapsing from 42 million to 25 million, with only 10 million working adults remaining, and alleges Zelensky uses the front lines as political punishment, sending critics to combat zones while maintaining the war to avoid 'political suicide.' She accuses Western leaders, particularly Boris Johnson and the Biden administration, of enabling Zelensky's dictatorial consolidation of power and prolonging a war Ukraine cannot win against a vastly larger Russia. The interview details pervasive repression including jailed parliamentarians, forced conscription via street kidnappings, canceled elections, and a culture of cancellation targeting artists, churches, and bloggers. She argues supporting Ukraine now requires pushing for an immediate peace deal, as the nation faces demographic and economic extinction.
Key takeaways
- Zelensky explicitly demanded staff create 'Goebbels propaganda' with thousands of talking heads to manufacture positive news regardless of reality when ratings dropped in 2019-2020.
- In December 2019 Paris meeting, Zelensky privately promised Putin Ukraine would never join NATO, contradicting his later public position making NATO membership a peace condition.
- Zelensky personally agreed to cede Donbas territory during 2022 Istanbul peace talks before reversing after Boris Johnson intervention, according to Ukrainian negotiators.
- Ukraine's population collapsed from 42 million to approximately 25 million with only 10 million working adults, while pensioners live on $75-200 monthly and some die from hunger and cold.
- Former press secretary claims Zelensky routinely took 15-minute bathroom breaks before interviews and emerged 'a different person,' alleging cocaine use confirmed by multiple sources including his supplier.
- Zelensky approved money laundering schemes from Ministry of Social Policy responsible for pensions, with one minister candidate told to present laundering plans during job interview.
- The whistleblower identifies at least seven instances where Zelensky sabotaged peace negotiations by changing positions, adding impossible conditions, or lying to mediators from multiple countries.