Emily Trim's Dying Words: They Landed and Talked to Us and Nobody Cared
"When I last saw her, the very last time that I saw her, she stood—she was sitting in front of me. She didn't look like her anymore. She had changed, but her eyes were her eyes. And she said, 'They came down from the sky and landed in front of us and talked to us so that we could tell the world and nobody cared.' And she died a few days later."
About this episode
In this episode, host Andy interviews Luigi Venditelli, former national director of MUFON Canada and filmmaker behind S4: The Bob Lazar Story, now streaming on Amazon Prime Video. Venditelli spent five years and seven figures of his own money building the most detailed 3D recreation of Bob Lazar's alleged S4 facility ever produced, working directly with Lazar to validate every detail from the craft's interior materials to the base's architectural layout. The conversation reveals how Venditelli's UFO journey began at age nine after his grandfather witnessed a silent metallic disc in 1965 Montreal, eventually leading him through two decades of MUFON field investigations—primarily focused on black triangular craft sightings across Quebec and Ontario—and two years of abduction research training under Dr. David Jacobs. What started as a product design project (a collector-quality flying saucer model) evolved into a full documentary after Venditelli cold-called Lazar and gained unprecedented access and cooperation. The filmmaker alleges his Canadian bank, after a year of supporting the project and helping secure government tax credits, suddenly demanded all communications between his company and Lazar, then threatened to seize his business—raising questions about external pressure. Venditelli also discusses his decade-long friendship with Ariel School witness Emily Trim, who died believing humanity ignored the beings' environmental warning message delivered to Zimbabwean children in 1994. The episode closes with Venditelli's assessment that government disclosure will never happen as hoped, because revealing the technology would immediately destabilize global economic, religious, and geopolitical structures—a trap both Lazar and the filmmaker now recognize.
Key takeaways
- Venditelli alleges his Canadian bank demanded all Bob Lazar communications and threatened company seizure after a year of cooperation on the S4 film project.
- A 1941 government map shows a road into Papoose Mountain at the exact S4 location Lazar described, allegedly edited 8 days after his 1989 television appearance.
- During 3D modeling, Venditelli discovered the craft's waveguide must extend a foot into the emitter for swivel mechanics—a detail Lazar never stated but confirmed when shown.
- The craft's metallic interior absorbed rather than reflected halogen light in rendering tests, matching Lazar's account that eight industrial lights left the space dark.
- Emily Trim, Ariel School witness, told Venditelli days before her death that beings landed to communicate a message through children and nobody cared.
- Venditelli trained for two years under abduction researcher Dr. David Jacobs, who emphasized convincing witnesses not to undergo regression to avoid retraumatization.
- Bob Lazar skipped the 2023 congressional UAP hearing featuring David Grusch to film green screen interviews for Venditelli's documentary instead.