Whistleblower Describes Interacting With Sentient Crystal Orb Called Relic Not Tech
"The people in the program had this thing, they called it a relic. Sitting at the center of the coffee table, it's a literal crystal orb, but the inside of this orb was alive. And as I locked eye contact with it, the inside structure adapts and it like changes. And it's almost as if this object, as I'm looking at it, is now looking back at me. It was sentient and conscious and felt alive. It didn't communicate through mouth, it communicated telepathically. It was feminine. It was being shown to me that Sylvia was human thoughts almost. We as humans, everything we create, everything we think, everything we're consciously experiencing takes on some form somewhere else."
About this episode
Host Jesse Michels interviews Jordan Jozek, a whistleblower who alleges he was recruited as a child into a classified psychic development program tied to UFO crash retrieval operations. Jozek claims that in 2023, after years of dissociated memory, he suddenly recalled being removed from public school in Western New York between 2008-2010 and placed in a covert program operating within Baker Victory Services, a facility ostensibly serving neurodivergent children. He states defense contractors trained him in remote viewing, astral projection, and piloting unidentified aerospace phenomena through consciousness rather than mechanical controls, using EEG monitoring, binaural beats, sedatives, and other substances including alleged puberty blockers to enhance psionic abilities. Jozek describes interacting with what personnel called relics, including a sentient crystalline orb named Sylvia that communicated telepathically and would only interface with psychically gifted children. He alleges the program aimed to reverse-engineer his brainwave patterns into a neural interface system called Prometheus, allowing non-psychic military personnel to control UAP craft. Jozek claims he provided detailed testimony, names, and records to Senate Intelligence Committee members and federal agencies, but no investigation has been opened. He corroborates elements of Jake Barber's redacted book Sentinels of Aether and discusses leaving the Skywatcher team, founded by special operations veterans, because he believes civilian-led consciousness research rather than military operations should drive disclosure. Jozek alleges some crash retrieval operations use psychic assets as bait in honeypot scenarios, luring craft with benevolent contact protocols before striking them with directed energy weapons to force materialization. The conversation explores consciousness as the substrate of reality, the malleability of time and matter under observation, synchronicities as communication from higher dimensional aspects of self, and the prospect that UFO phenomena may be interdimensional manifestations of thought rather than extraterrestrial craft. Jozek founded the Telepathy Center and is launching an app in June 2025 to teach psionic protocols to the public.
Key takeaways
- Jozek alleges he was forcibly enrolled in a two-year classified psionic training program at Baker Victory Services after being identified through Gifted and Talented Education testing in childhood.
- He claims defense contractors trained him to pilot UAP craft by shifting his consciousness into the objects, monitored via EEG to reverse-engineer brainwave patterns into a neural interface called Prometheus.
- Jozek describes telepathic interaction with a sentient crystalline orb called a relic named Sylvia that only interfaced with psychically gifted children and represented manifestations of human thought.
- He alleges some UAP crash retrievals use psychic personnel as bait in honeypot operations, then strike craft with directed energy weapons to force materialization and recovery.
- Jozek provided detailed testimony to Senate Intelligence Committee members and federal agencies naming personnel and locations, but states no investigation has occurred.
- He left the Skywatcher veterans group because he believes consciousness research should be civilian-led rather than military-driven, and founded the Telepathy Center to teach psionic protocols publicly.
- The Baker Victory Services facility where training allegedly occurred has been sued over 400 times, with a supervisor arrested on 210 felonies for record falsification and a $100 million settlement over sexual abuse claims.