UFO & Paranormal
Michels claims ex-presidential adviser Harold Malmgren handled ‘UFO pieces’ from 1962 test
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Joe Rogan Experience #2545 - Jesse Michels
"He ends up at the Sandia complex in New Mexico, one of these national labs. And Lawrence Preston Gist, who found went on to found DARPA and is Jeff Bezos's maternal grandfather, hands him pieces of the UFO. And he and he says and very sadly he passed away a few weeks after I interviewed him."
Jesse Michels alleges that the late Harold Malmgren, a former US presidential adviser, told him he received purported UFO debris following a 1962 high-altitude nuclear test (which Michels identifies as the Bluegill Triple Prime test within Operation Dominic/Starfish Prime). Michels further claims Malmgren said the materials were handed to him at Sandia by Lawrence Preston Gise (spelt “Gist” in the transcript), a US defence official later linked to early DARPA leadership.
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