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Helen Toner says AI harm liability is worth exploring after SB 1047

By Egleze Editorial Desk · Published August 20, 2026 · The Ezra Klein Show · The A.I.s Are Already Out of Control | The Ezra Klein Show
Helen Toner says AI harm liability is worth exploring after SB 1047
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""I think a natural direction for those bills to go would be to start putting a minimum bar in place for hey if your safety plan is not up to scratch or if you're implementing your safety plan but your model does something catastrophic anyway then you the AI developer are liable because as you say right now who exactly is liable for what is is very unclear.""

Helen Toner says lawmakers should explore making AI developers legally liable when their systems cause serious harm, citing California’s failed 2024 SB 1047 effort. She argues state-level bills are already pushing for more disclosure and third-party access, and could evolve towards a minimum safety standard backed by liability.

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Helen Toner · guest
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