Wilkerson says he fears Netanyahu could use a submarine with capacity to launch nuclear weapons
"That's my fear, is that he's going to use one of those submarines or 2 or 3 of them to do what he needs to do. I don't know, I don't think he's perfected an SLBM, submarine-launched ballistic missile, or, you know, nuclear weapon under the water, but I think he's perfected surfacing and firing one off the platform of a submarine."
About this episode
In a short interview on Mario Nawfal’s show, retired US Army colonel Lawrence Wilkerson (former chief of staff to Colin Powell) makes a series of high-stakes predictions about Israel, Iran and US policy. Wilkerson says he foresees Israel “disappearing as a Jewish state”, while still allowing for the possibility of a democratic state in the Levant that includes Jews. He predicts Benjamin Netanyahu will be forced out of office and ultimately imprisoned, and argues that successors could be “worse” in the sense of being less adept in dealings with Washington.
Wilkerson’s central forecast is that a future Iranian attack on Israel will be “unbelievable”, and he claims the US is concentrating assets — including “tankers” — in Israel, creating what he calls a “target-rich environment” that Iran may seize upon, potentially using Lebanon as a pretext. He adds that he believes Israeli political-military leadership is uncomfortable with such exposure.
The conversation also turns to nuclear escalation: Wilkerson says he fears Netanyahu could use Israel’s submarines in a nuclear scenario, while acknowledging uncertainty about the specific technical means. He references reported historical remarks by Golda Meir about using nuclear weapons if Israel faced existential peril. Nawfal raises reports on West Bank settlement expansion, proposals for settlements in Gaza and beyond, and cites current reporting on risks to Palestinian banking links and Oxfam’s estimate for rebuilding Gaza; Wilkerson responds with strong moral condemnation of the war’s toll. The episode closes on the question of why US officials continue current policy despite the imagery and reporting from Gaza.
Key takeaways
- Wilkerson predicts Israel will not endure “as a Jewish state”, though he allows for a future democratic state including Jews.
- He forecasts Netanyahu will be driven from office and imprisoned, presenting it as a personal prediction.
- Wilkerson says a major Iranian attack on Israel is likely and could be decisive for Israel’s future political form.
- He claims the US is clustering assets, including “tankers”, in Israel, creating a “target-rich environment” for Iran (no evidence provided in the episode).
- Wilkerson says he fears Netanyahu could use submarine-based nuclear capability, while conceding uncertainty about the precise delivery method.
- Nawfal cites reports on settlement ambitions and current reporting on Palestinian banking links and Gaza reconstruction costs; Wilkerson calls the situation unconscionable.