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Herridge alleges Smith used National Archives requests to access lawmakers’ messages

By Egleze Editorial Desk · Published July 25, 2026 · Reality Check with Ross Coulthart · Catherine Herridge on the 'Shadow Government' claims | Katie Pavlich Tonight
Herridge alleges Smith used National Archives requests to access lawmakers’ messages
Reality Check with Ross Coulthart
Reality Check with Ross Coulthart
Catherine Herridge on the 'Shadow Government' claims | Katie Pavlich Tonight

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"I think it's going to be a hard call to say that he lied to Congress. He didn't fully answer the question. You can make the argument that he misled Congress."

Herridge alleges former special counsel Jack Smith used a National Archives ‘workaround’ to obtain not only toll records but message content linked to members of Congress. She says the approach could breach investigative norms and clash with the Speech or Debate Clause, citing conversations with sources rather than documents on air.

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Reality Check with Ross Coulthart
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Catherine Herridge on the 'Shadow Government' claims | Katie Pavlich Tonight
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