Episode summary
Jack Carr interviews journalist and author Peter Bergen about the legacy of 9/11 and executive war powers, drawing on Bergen’s reporting and his book All the President’s Wars. Bergen argues the post-9/11 presidency became an “imperial commander-in-chief”, with successive administrations expanding the practical ability to use force with limited accountability. He is sharply critical of the 2021 Afghanistan withdrawal, claiming NATO allies warned Secretary of State Antony Blinken against leaving and that President Joe Biden proceeded anyway; he also contends abandoning Bagram Air Base weakened US strategic positioning.
On the pre-9/11 period, Bergen recounts writing to a New York Times correspondent in August 2001 urging coverage of signs an al-Qaeda attack was coming, and disputes the framing of 9/11 as primarily an “intelligence failure”, placing more responsibility on policy-makers’ inaction. The conversation also addresses Guantánamo prosecutions, with Bergen saying alleged 9/11 planner Khalid Sheikh Mohammed remains in pre-trial and that courts have ruled key confessions inadmissible due to torture-related issues.
Bergen discusses ongoing litigation alleging Saudi-linked support networks, describing newly disclosed material he says emerged in 2024 involving Saudi official Omar al-Bayoumi, while noting denials. Separately, he alleges widespread unauthorised use of his work by AI platforms and claims a major settlement figure in a publishing dispute. Carr and Bergen also touch on coalition warfare, the long tail of the “war on terror”, and how tactical competence can be undermined by strategic misjudgement at the political level.