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#2509 - Caleb Hammer

Joe Rogan Experience · 4 June 2026 · 5 Egleze moments
#2509 - Caleb Hammer ▶

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Joe Rogan hosted financial educator and YouTuber Caleb Hammer for a wide-ranging conversation on personal finance, government waste, political corruption, and the socioeconomic challenges facing young Americans. Hammer, who runs a popular YouTube channel and budgeting app called Dollarwise, described his journey from music school dropout drowning in debt to building a 40-person media company in Austin by teaching personal responsibility and financial literacy through viral roast-style content. The episode opened with Hammer explaining how he fell into typical American financial traps—maxed-out credit cards, student loans for a useless degree, car debt—before strategically pivoting to a sales job and self-educating through finance YouTubers. A major theme was the systemic dysfunction in American institutions: Rogan and Hammer discussed how George Soros funds progressive DA campaigns to destabilize cities, how the Pentagon has failed audits for years while defense spending hits one trillion dollars, and how Social Security funds are projected to run dry by 2033, triggering automatic 25 percent benefit cuts. Hammer revealed that 60 percent of investors under 30 now base portfolio decisions on podcasters and Twitch streamers, and that George Santos is under federal investigation for insider trading after betting against his own public statements. The two dissected California's homelessness crisis, noting the state spent 24 billion dollars while homelessness increased, and that housing one homeless person in California costs over one million dollars versus a few hundred thousand in Houston due to regulatory bloat and union extortion. Hammer argued most Americans lack agency and fall into victim mentality, citing the 1.6 trillion dollars in credit card debt, the obsession with new cars at predatory interest rates, and the refusal to cook at home or build emergency funds. He explained why trades and AI-resistant careers are now smarter than college degrees, especially for women who disproportionately choose low-paying majors like sociology and psychology. Rogan and Hammer also explored the gender wars among Gen Z, the 4B movement, rising virginity rates, and political capture via social media algorithms. The episode concluded with Hammer promoting his budgeting app and membership platform, emphasizing that financial literacy is the ultimate form of personal empowerment in a system designed to keep people dependent and broke.

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Money

Social Security Funds Projected to Dry Up by 2033, Triggering 25 Percent Payment Cuts

at 8:14 · Attributed speaker claim
Social Security 2033, that's when the funds dry. So payments get cut by 25%. 2033 is when the funds dry up for Social Security. The actual fund that's sitting there. So every dollar that goes out is money that's coming in. That's projected 2033.

Hammer told Rogan that Social Security trust funds are officially projected to be depleted by 2033, at which point benefits will be automatically reduced by 25 percent unless Congress intervenes. He explained that after depletion, payments will be limited to incoming payroll tax revenue only. The discussion followed criticism of retirees whose Social Security is already being garnished to repay decades-old student loans.

02
Money

60 Percent of Young Investors Base Portfolio Trades on Podcasters

at 13:21 · Attributed speaker claim
People in our position right now, people under 30, 60% of them are doing their portfolio trades based on the podcasters they're listening to. Even on like Kick or Twitch, there's streamers. I'll log on in the morning, just see who's streaming, and some of the top viewed people are day traders with like 25,000 concurrent viewers that are getting hundreds of thousands of views a day.

Caleb Hammer warned Rogan that 60 percent of investors under 30 now make portfolio decisions based on podcasters and streamers they follow, including day traders on Kick and Twitch with tens of thousands of concurrent viewers. Hammer expressed concern that young people are mirroring trades in real-time without understanding risk. He noted he himself invested in a fund tracking Nancy Pelosi's trades, which outperformed his professional money manager.

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Crime & Justice

Former Representative George Santos Investigated for Insider Trading on Betting Platform

at 15:51 · Attributed speaker claim
He went on Instagram and he was like, 'Hey guys, I'm going to 100% be at the State of the Union. 100%, I'm going to be there. Here's my seat.' And then he immediately bet that he will not be at the State of the Union. So 4 people close to him have been working with the FTC on that.

Financial YouTuber Caleb Hammer revealed on Joe Rogan's podcast that George Santos is under investigation after allegedly betting against his own public statement about attending the State of the Union, immediately after receiving a sentence commutation from President Trump. Four people close to Santos reportedly cooperated with the FTC on the probe. Hammer noted that platforms like Calci make such insider trading difficult to trace, which may have motivated Santos's actions.

04
Politics

Soros Foundation Funds Progressive Prosecutors to Tank Cities, Says Musk

at 31:14 · Attributed speaker claim
Elon's deep into it, man. I've had conversations with him about it and he explains the way Soros does it, and that it's actually— it's a great investment because like to invest in politicians in terms of like to spend money on a campaign for the president, it's a lot of money. But a local DA, not that much money. And for a great return on your investment, you can fucking tank a city by having one insane DA.

Rogan stated that Elon Musk has explained to him how George Soros and the Open Society Foundation strategically fund progressive district attorney campaigns as a cost-effective way to destabilize cities. Rogan claimed that funding a local DA race requires far less money than higher offices but yields massive returns in terms of societal disruption, citing examples of DAs who released violent criminals repeatedly. He suggested some actors genuinely want American civilization to fail.

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Society

California Spends Over One Million Dollars Per Homeless Housing Unit Versus Hundreds of Thousands in Texas

at 57:21 · Attributed speaker claim
A place, a shelter, or a room to put a homeless person that is starting to get clean in Houston costs a few hundred thousand dollars. It costs a million or more in California. You can't compete against that. California's own fault. Their laws and permitting issues and red tape and environmental codes are crazy for building.

Hammer compared homeless housing costs, revealing California spends over one million dollars per unit while Texas cities like Houston spend only a few hundred thousand. He attributed California's ballooning costs to permitting red tape, environmental regulations, and labor union extortion, arguing these structural factors make it impossible to scale effective homeless programs. Houston's centralized city-run model has reduced homelessness while LA's nonprofit network has failed despite spending 24 billion dollars.