Ryan Holiday says Andrew Tate is sex trafficker misusing Stoic philosophy
"Andrew Tate is a fucking abuser of women, shitty person, a sex trafficker. And the idea that, like, that's who you should be taking life advice from is insane, right? Like, Stoicism is not a recipe for making you a better sociopath."
About this episode
Author and Stoic philosopher Ryan Holiday discusses the legacy of Audie Murphy, America's most decorated soldier, with host Shawn Ryan, using Murphy's story to critique modern masculinity influencers who distort ancient philosophy. Murphy, rejected by the Marines and paratroopers for being too small at 5'5" and 112 pounds, went on to earn 28 medals including the Medal of Honor before becoming a movie star. Holiday emphasizes a lesser-known aspect of Murphy's character: his refusal to endorse cigarettes or alcohol despite financial incentives, demonstrating moral courage alongside physical bravery. The conversation pivots to Murphy's public battle with PTSD in the 1960s, when such vulnerability was unprecedented for public figures. Holiday uses this framework to launch a sharp condemnation of Andrew Tate, whom he explicitly calls a sex trafficker and abuser of women. He argues that modern alpha male influencers cherry-pick Stoic principles while ignoring justice, the fourth cardinal virtue that provides ethical guardrails for courage, discipline, and wisdom. Holiday warns that strength without ethics becomes dangerous, comparing it to Confederate soldiers whose military valor served an immoral cause. The episode contrasts authentic toughness embodied by Murphy with the performative masculinity marketed by contemporary influencers, arguing that true Stoicism requires vulnerability, moral courage, and contribution to society rather than narcissistic self-optimization.
Key takeaways
- Ryan Holiday explicitly calls Andrew Tate a sex trafficker and abuser, condemning him as unfit to give life advice about masculinity or philosophy.
- Audie Murphy refused all cigarette and alcohol endorsements as a movie star to avoid being a negative role model for children despite financial pressure.
- Murphy publicly discussed his PTSD struggle in the 1960s when no high-profile figures addressed combat trauma, demanding the VA take it seriously.
- Holiday argues modern alpha male influencers distort Stoicism by ignoring justice, the fourth cardinal virtue that provides ethical boundaries for strength.
- Murphy became America's most decorated soldier with 28 medals after being rejected by Marines and paratroopers for being 5'5" and 112 pounds.
- Holiday compares unethical strength to Confederate soldiers whose military courage served an immoral cause, making the world worse despite their valor.
- The philosopher emphasizes that vulnerability and moral courage deserve as much recognition as physical bravery but receive no medals or public celebration.