DMT Researcher Claims Thousands Witnessed Laser-Revealed Code on Walls During Trips
"On DMT, you could shine a red laser on a wall and you'll see code. And then you can look through the laser through different angles and see more code. And as you move the laser, it moves on to different code. It's there, but it's not there. And you've had, I think, over 2,000 people witness the same thing. At this point, it's thousands."
About this episode
Danny Goler, independent researcher and founder of Code of Reality, discusses his years-long investigation into DMT and the hypothesis that the psychedelic compound provides access to an actual alternate dimension rather than producing mere hallucinations. Goler tells host Shawn Ryan how a Joe Rogan podcast led him to DMT, where he experienced what he describes as encounters with intelligent entities in a hyper-realistic alternate reality. Most striking is Goler's claim that thousands of DMT users have independently witnessed identical phenomena: shining a red laser on a wall during trips reveals complex code that changes based on viewing angle and laser position. Goler argues this repeatable observation, along with his own experience of an entity teaching him guitar chords he didn't previously know, suggests DMT accesses a computational dimension that exists independently of individual consciousness. He proposes that our reality operates on computational principles, a simulation-like structure where physical laws emerge from underlying code, and that DMT allows perception of this fundamental layer. Goler frames these experiences as a form of gradual disclosure, preparing humanity to understand we exist within a much larger structure and are not alone. He emphasizes that living in a computationally-rendered reality doesn't make existence meaningless or fake, but rather reveals the true nature of how physical laws operate. The conversation explores the challenge of bringing subjective DMT experiences into the realm of measurable, repeatable science.
Key takeaways
- Danny Goler claims thousands of DMT users have independently witnessed identical laser-revealed code appearing on walls during trips, suggesting repeatable verifiable phenomena rather than random hallucinations.
- Goler describes encountering an intelligent entity during DMT that taught him guitar chords he didn't know, which he interprets as proof the experience accessed real information beyond his existing knowledge.
- The researcher proposes DMT reveals our reality operates on computational principles where physical laws emerge from underlying code, essentially a simulation-like structure.
- Goler frames consistent DMT experiences as gradual disclosure, preparing humanity to understand we exist within a larger structure and are not alone in the universe.
- DMT research is shifting from therapeutic applications toward investigating whether users actually access alternate dimensions, according to Goler's account of current scientific interest.
- Goler founded Code of Reality to bridge mainstream science with consciousness research, bringing together scientists, philosophers, and indigenous wisdom keepers to study the mind-matter intersection.
- The researcher spent years developing methods to make DMT phenomena measurable and repeatable for scientific investigation after his initial breakthrough experiences convinced him of their objective reality.