Psychology

Huberman Proposes Evil Forces Can Hijack Vulnerable Minds Through Shame

Huberman Lab · The Mental Frame & Specific Daily Actions to Succeed | Andy Stumpf · June 15, 2026

Huberman Lab

The Mental Frame & Specific Daily Actions to Succeed | Andy Stumpf

"I actually think that evil forces can hijack people's minds. I believe that inside of our minds we have a susceptibility to positive messaging, and we have a susceptibility to evil messaging, and it can come in in different forms. They tend to come through the places of shame. They come through the things that we don't want to acknowledge."

In a departure from purely scientific discussion, neuroscientist Andrew Huberman proposed that malevolent forces can exploit psychological vulnerabilities, particularly through unacknowledged shame and trauma. He suggested that while scientific and psychological interventions are necessary, understanding suicidality may require accepting explanations beyond pure materialism. Stumpf agreed that remaining open to non-scientific possibilities is important given current inability to solve the suicide crisis.

About this episode

Andrew Huberman sits down with retired Navy SEAL Andy Stumpf for a far-reaching conversation that moves beyond typical SEAL Team narratives into profound territory on mental health, discipline, and suicide. Stumpf, who also set two world records in wingsuit flying, discusses his book 'Drown Proof' and reveals tools for managing everyday life that both he and Huberman now use regularly. The centerpiece discussion examines a simple but powerful exercise separating concerns from influence that has transformed how both men approach daily stress. Stumpf drops a stunning statistic: Green Beret community losses to suicide now exceed combat deaths since 2001, with SEAL teams likely close behind. He shares intimate details about his friend Dave's suicide, describing how the decorated operator struggled with alcohol and a devastating gap between self-perception and how others viewed him. Stumpf reveals his own genetic inability to process opioid pain medication, discovered after being shot in Baghdad. The conversation turns philosophical as Huberman proposes that evil forces exploit psychological vulnerabilities through shame, suggesting solutions to suicidality may require perspectives beyond pure science. Stumpf candidly discusses his contentious divorce as harder than anything in SEAL training, and how wingsuit BASE jumping provided crucial mental resets for months afterward. Throughout, both men emphasize choosing slightly harder paths in small daily decisions as foundational to long-term success and well-being.

Key takeaways

Green Beret suicide deaths now exceed combat deaths since 2001, with SEAL Teams likely approaching the same grim milestone despite millions in prevention funding.
Stumpf revealed his friend Dave, a top-tier SEAL operator, struggled with hidden alcohol addiction and perfectionism before taking his own life despite multiple ibogaine treatments.
Stumpf discovered he has a genetic blood abnormality preventing proper opioid processing, making morphine ineffective even at life-threatening doses during combat injury treatment.
The concern versus influence exercise involves listing worries on the left side of paper and controllable actions on the right, revealing most mental energy goes to uncontrollable factors.
Wingsuit BASE jumping provided Stumpf with flow states that improved mental health, business performance, and patience for up to six months after two-week jumping trips.
Huberman proposed that malevolent forces can hijack minds through unacknowledged shame and trauma, suggesting suicide solutions may require perspectives beyond pure science.
Making slightly harder choices consistently in small daily actions like making the bed or putting dishes directly in dishwasher compounds to transform life trajectory over time.