Elon Musk Likely Briefed on Secret UAP Programs Despite Public Denials

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On this episode of Reality Check, host Ross Coulthart interviewed Matthew Tuttle, CEO of Tuttle Capital Management, about the launch of UFOD—the first US exchange-traded fund explicitly built around the UAP disclosure thesis. Tuttle, who has been actively investing since 1981, revealed he is a believer in a classified US program involving retrieved crashed vehicles and reverse-engineered non-human technology, though he emphasized the fund's investment thesis works regardless of whether alien technology exists. The conversation centered on what Tuttle calls the 'secret gap'—the decades-long divergence between public energy and propulsion technology and the expected pace of innovation, which he attributes to suppressed breakthroughs potentially including zero-point energy and anti-gravity systems. A major revelation discussed was Lockheed Martin CEO James Taclit's August 2024 admission during an earnings call that the company possesses 'magical' and 'game-changing' technology tied to a $1 billion classified program overrun. Tuttle placed significant weight on this statement as validation from a defense industry executive rather than intelligence sources. The discussion explored serious legal and constitutional questions, including the Defense Department's failure to account for $1.8 trillion in assets across seven consecutive failed audits, potentially violating the Constitution's Appropriations Clause. Tuttle argued this represents either staggering incompetence or illegal diversion of funds outside congressional oversight. The episode also examined market implications of potential disclosure, with Tuttle contending that suppression of zero-point energy technology to protect fossil fuel companies would constitute massive investor fraud. He dismissed predictions of ontological market shock from alien disclosure, arguing Hollywood has adequately prepared the public, but acknowledged disclosure of energy technology would devastate oil and utility stocks. Tuttle revealed his fund is approximately 25% invested in aerospace defense contractors including Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and the lesser-known Amentum Holdings, with the remainder in AI, quantum computing, photonics, rare earth, and alternative energy companies positioned to benefit from technology convergence. He indicated Anduril and SpaceX would be added when they go public, though he expressed caution about SpaceX given the potential obsolescence of rocket technology if anti-gravity systems are disclosed. The conversation concluded with discussion of how AI and quantum computing may make suppression increasingly untenable, as artificial superintelligence could independently reverse-engineer UAP propulsion systems from video evidence.