Debater Asserts Ugaritic Texts Prove Cloud Riding Predates Bible

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On this episode of Modern Day Debates, host Mike moderated a theological clash between Catholic apologist William Albrecht and Muslim scholar Daniel on the question: Is Jesus God? Albrecht opened with a comprehensive case drawing from Old Testament prophecy, New Testament declarations, early church fathers, and even hostile witnesses to argue that Jesus shares the full divine identity of Yahweh. He focused heavily on Daniel 7's 'Son of Man' figure who receives divine worship, arguing Jesus explicitly identified himself with this figure and was condemned for blasphemy by Jewish authorities who understood his claim. Daniel countered with what he termed the 'Hellfire argument for God,' a novel theological position asserting that no divine claim can be validated without immediate eschatological judgment—arguing Jesus's first-century ministry without final judgment represents a 'catastrophic failure' of divine worthiness. The debate became contentious when Daniel claimed the biblical cloud-rider imagery derives from ancient Baal mythology in Ugaritic texts predating scripture, prompting William to demand he read the actual texts (which Daniel could not produce during the debate). In a striking moment, Daniel claimed the Son of Man prophecy refers not to Jesus but to Prophet Muhammad and the Islamic kingdom. William pressed Daniel repeatedly on an internal contradiction: if the Quran affirms the Gospels when Jesus speaks, and Jesus identifies himself as the divine Son of Man, then Muslims must accept Jesus's divinity claims. The exchange also covered whether worship accounts in the Gospels prove divinity, the meaning of 'I can do nothing by myself' in John 5, and whether Revelation's 'Alpha and Omega' title applies to Jesus or only the Father. Both debaters showed mutual respect despite heated exchanges, with Daniel acknowledging William's exceptional tenacity and sincerity in seeking truth.