Beevor Claims Putin Fears China Despite Needing Alliance Against West
"Putin being in need of the Chinese, but I think probably underneath afraid of them as well."
About this episode
On this episode of Trigonometry, hosts Konstantin Kisin and Francis Foster interviewed renowned historian Antony Beevor for a deep examination of Russian history and national character, particularly focused on understanding why Russia behaves as it does today under Putin. Beevor, author of a new book on Rasputin, argued that Russia's patterns of conspicuous cruelty in warfare trace back to the Mongol invasions of the 13th century and were codified while Europe moved through the Enlightenment. The conversation centered on how formative traumas—the Time of Troubles, the Russian Civil War with its 10 million casualties, and weak leadership under Tsar Nicholas II—created a Russian preference for strong autocratic leaders at almost any cost. Beevor detailed how Nicholas II's weakness, combined with Empress Alexandra's obsession with Rasputin due to their hemophiliac son Alexei, destroyed the monarchy's legitimacy and precipitated the 1917 revolution. He revealed disturbing continuities between historical Russian brutality toward soldiers and current practices in Ukraine, including strapping landmines to conscripts and using African recruits as suicide bombers. Beevor warned the war's aftermath will devastate Russian society as traumatized, brutalized veterans return home. On geopolitics, he assessed that Putin fears China despite needing the alliance, as Chinese demographic takeover of Russia's Far East accelerates. The historian predicted bitterness from the Ukraine war will poison Russia-West relations for generations and controversially suggested that preventing mass immigration may become armies' primary future role given climate disasters and conflicts driving displacement.
Key takeaways
- Beevor warned Russian soldiers brutalized in Ukraine, especially prison recruits, will cause devastating social consequences when they return to civilian life.
- He argued the Russian Civil War with 10 million casualties was the defining catastrophe of the 20th century, creating the ideological splits leading to WWII.
- Beevor disclosed Stalin banned limbless WWII veterans from Soviet cities after praising their heroism, sending amputees north to hide them from view.
- He assessed Putin likely fears China despite needing the alliance, as Chinese demographic takeover and map changes signal territorial designs on Siberia.
- Beevor traced Russian warfare brutality to Mongol invasions and argued Russia missed the Enlightenment, maintaining conspicuous cruelty as warfare doctrine.
- He predicted in 1990 that future armies would primarily function to prevent mass immigration, a forecast he sees materializing with climate displacement.
- The historian detailed how Tsar Nicholas II and Empress Alexandra's psychological weaknesses and obsession with Rasputin destroyed the monarchy's legitimacy before 1917.