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Scholar Claims Students Defend Nazi Atrocities as Morally Relative

Name: Scholar Claims Students Defend Nazi Atrocities as Morally Relative
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Description: Dr. Budziszewski recounted classroom experiences where undergraduate students, when pressed on moral relativism, refused to condemn the Holocaust as objectively evil, instead claiming it may have been morally acceptable for the Nazis. He used this to illustrate the dangerous logical conclusions of contemporary relativist thinking that has permeated university culture.

Pints with Aquinas · Philosopher DESTROYS Nihilism TikToks | Dr. J. Budziszewski | Last Call Ep. 16 · May 28, 2026

Pints with Aquinas

Philosopher DESTROYS Nihilism TikToks | Dr. J. Budziszewski | Last Call Ep. 16

"I've had students who've told me that, you know, I said, well, don't you think that what the Nazis did to the Jews was objectively evil? And they say, no, you know, that may have been right for them, man."

Dr. Budziszewski recounted classroom experiences where undergraduate students, when pressed on moral relativism, refused to condemn the Holocaust as objectively evil, instead claiming it may have been morally acceptable for the Nazis. He used this to illustrate the dangerous logical conclusions of contemporary relativist thinking that has permeated university culture.

About this episode

In this episode, host Matt Fradd interviews University of Texas philosophy professor Dr. J. Budziszewski about the rise of nihilism in contemporary culture and its philosophical weaknesses. The conversation was prompted by a series of viral TikTok and social media videos promoting nihilistic and absurdist worldviews, which Fradd plays throughout the discussion. Budziszewski, who reveals he went through his own destructive Nietzschean phase earlier in life, systematically dismantles the logical coherence of nihilism, absurdism, and existentialism. He argues that all forms of nihilism are self-refuting because they assert meaningful claims about meaninglessness, creating what he calls "incoherence"—pulling the rug out from under one's own argument. The professor distinguishes between various emotional responses to nihilism—despair, pop culture coolness, and Camus-style cheerfulness—but insists none of them constitute genuine philosophical positions because they lack coherent arguments. A particularly striking moment occurs when Budziszewski recounts students defending Nazi atrocities as morally relative, illustrating how nihilistic presuppositions have infiltrated university education. He traces the appeal of nihilism to pain avoidance and compares it to Buddhist annihilation philosophy. Throughout, he maintains that humans cannot consistently live as if nothing has meaning, even if they claim to believe it. The episode concludes with Budziszewski promoting his new book, Pandemic of Lunacy, which addresses what he considers 30 forms of contemporary intellectual madness, including the varieties of nihilism discussed in the conversation.

Key takeaways

Budziszewski revealed that reading Nietzsche during his own nihilistic phase nearly destroyed him psychologically and philosophically.
The professor recounted that university students have defended Nazi atrocities as morally relative rather than objectively evil.
Budziszewski argued all forms of nihilism are logically incoherent because they make meaningful claims about meaninglessness.
He claimed that if God did not exist, the universe itself would not exist, making atheism metaphysically impossible.
The discussion addressed viral social media content promoting optimistic nihilism and absurdism among young people.
Budziszewski distinguished between emotional responses to nihilism—despair, pop culture acceptance, and cheerfulness—but denied they constitute different philosophies.
He argued humans cannot consistently live according to nihilistic beliefs even when they claim to embrace meaninglessness.

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