Scientist Claims Carl Sagan Was Cleared Intelligence Contractor Despite Public Anti-Security State Image
"He had on his shirt a badge. On this badge was Carl's name. On his badge was his picture. The only way you get a picture badge allowing you to roam around the intelligence community is to be a cleared insider. He was a cleared insider. I knew it the minute I saw that badge. He had a green contractor badge, intelligence community special badge."
About this episode
In this nearly five-hour conversation, host Danny Jones interviews Dr. Bob McGwier, a former NSA and CIA technical intelligence contractor who spent decades conducting classified operations in 72 countries and now serves as founder of satellite intelligence company Hawkeye 360. McGwier reveals he worked on some of the intelligence community's most sensitive programs from 1990 to 2010, earning the Intelligence Community Seal Medallion from CIA Director Tenet. The conversation takes a dramatic turn as McGwier describes two separate encounters with unidentified objects while aboard U.S. Navy vessels: a 'fast walker' moving faster than sound underwater near the USS Hampton in 1997, and a massive glowing craft larger than the 450-foot USS Blue Ridge that blocked rain during a 2008 typhoon in the Sea of Japan. McGwier's involvement with the UAP subject deepened in 2020 after visiting experiencer Chris Bledsoe, where he witnessed large orbs responding to mental commands and experienced what he describes as a miraculous healing—his cardiologist found his heart, previously damaged by four heart attacks and a quadruple bypass, was now 100% functional. The episode explores McGwier's belief that government insiders wage war over disclosure, his revelation that Carl Sagan was a cleared intelligence contractor despite his public persona, and his conviction that a non-human intelligence has been involved in human evolution and potentially in his own life trajectory. McGwier describes the stovepiped nature of compartmentalized programs, discusses missing Air Force scientist General Thomas McCaslin's likely fate under extreme non-disclosure protocols, and shares his work founding Hawkeye 360, a satellite company now valued at over $1.5 billion that he originally designed to detect alien implants in human bodies. He closes by describing his own miraculous recovery from severe depression using ketamine therapy and his belief that remote viewing, telepathy, and consciousness-based phenomena are real and terrify the government because they would make secrets impossible to keep.
Key takeaways
- McGwier disclosed conducting technical intelligence operations for NSA and CIA in 72 countries over two decades, earning Director Tenet's Intelligence Community Seal Medallion.
- In 1997 aboard nuclear submarine USS Hampton, McGwier and crew witnessed unidentified submerged object moving faster than sound underwater without cavitation.
- In 2008 on USS Blue Ridge, McGwier observed massive glowing UFO larger than 450-foot flagship that blocked rain during typhoon before shooting straight up.
- After visiting experiencer Chris Bledsoe in 2020, McGwier's heart damage from four heart attacks completely reversed to 100% function, shocking his cardiologist.
- McGwier revealed Carl Sagan wore intelligence community contractor badge at NSA headquarters, contradicting his public anti-security state persona.
- McGwier founded satellite intelligence company Hawkeye 360, now worth over $1.5 billion, originally designed to detect alien implants from orbit.
- McGwier believes government super users with access to all classified programs number fewer than 10 people and operate above presidential authority through Department of Energy restricted data protocols.