Hawass Opens Door to Independent Radar Scan of Pyramid After Underground City Claims
"I will be happy to cooperate and talk to you and find out if this techniques you have it and we don't have. Send me the type of equipment that you can use. I will send it to Sean, who's the head of my team."
About this episode
Piers Morgan hosted Dr. Zahi Hawass, the world's preeminent authority on Egypt's pyramids, for an extended debate confronting alternative archaeology theories and addressing accusations that he operates as a gatekeeper suppressing discoveries. Hawass announced that in June 2025, his team will investigate a sealed corridor and 30-meter void within the Great Pyramid of Khufu using advanced ultrasound technology, which he believes may lead to discovering Khufu's actual burial chamber—a find he called potentially the most important archaeological discovery on Earth. The episode featured heated exchanges between Hawass and three alternative researchers: Michael Button, Jimmy Corsetti, and Timothy Alberino. They challenged mainstream Egyptology on multiple fronts, including claims of a subterranean city beneath Giza detected by Italian scientists, water erosion evidence suggesting the Sphinx dates to 7,000 BC, and unexplored chambers beneath the Sphinx's paw. Hawass categorically denied hiding evidence, stating all discoveries are published in scientific journals and his 1,000-page book on Giza. In a surprising turn, he agreed to collaborate with independent researchers using drone-mounted ground-penetrating radar to scan the Pyramid of Khafre. Hawass also revealed that Cleopatra's tomb will never be recovered because it lies underwater in the Mediterranean, dismissing 20 years of search efforts. The conversation expanded to cover the new $2 billion Grand Egyptian Museum, which displays over 5,000 Tutankhamun artifacts and attracts 15,000 daily visitors. Hawass defended traditional Egyptian archaeology while acknowledging some mysteries remain unsolved, insisting the pyramids were definitively built by ancient Egyptians, supported by the 2017 discovery of the Wadi el-Jarf papyri—a diary from a pyramid construction overseer. The episode concluded with Morgan securing Hawass's invitation for a future Egypt expedition including Graham Hancock and Robbie Williams.
Key takeaways
- Hawass announced June 2025 investigation of sealed Great Pyramid void he believes contains Khufu's real burial chamber using ultrasound technology.
- Hawass declared Cleopatra's tomb will never be discovered after 20 years of searching because it is submerged in the Mediterranean Sea.
- Alternative researcher Jimmy Corsetti presented water erosion evidence claiming the Sphinx dates to 7,000 BC, several millennia earlier than accepted.
- Hawass agreed to collaborate with independent researchers to conduct drone-mounted ground-penetrating radar scans of Pyramid of Khafre following Italian claims of underground city.
- The Great Pyramid void discovered and published in 2017 remains unexplored 10 years later, with international teams unable to access it safely.
- Hawass categorically denied hiding evidence, stating all discoveries are published in scientific journals and his 1,000-page Giza excavation book.
- The $2 billion Grand Egyptian Museum opened in November 2025, displaying 5,000 Tutankhamun artifacts and attracting 15,000 daily visitors.