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Open Source Wins, AGI Is Here, and Scorsese’s AI Toolkit with CEOs of Cerebras & Black Forest Labs

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Open Source Wins, AGI Is Here, and Scorsese’s AI Toolkit with CEOs of Cerebras & Black Forest Labs
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Jason Calacanis hosts two in-depth conversations exploring the unprecedented buildout of AI infrastructure and its creative applications. The episode features Andrew Feldman, CEO and founder of Cerebras, who reveals his company has accumulated a $25 billion backlog for AI inference chips as global demand dramatically outpaces supply. Feldman describes an infrastructure mobilization unlike anything in peacetime history, with data centers being constructed worldwide from Texas to Kazakhstan that will consume more power in the next few years than the previous 50 years combined. Individual facilities now draw electricity comparable to midsize cities, as companies like OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, Microsoft, and AWS compete for capacity. Cerebras has broken through traditional Moore's Law constraints, achieving performance improvements significantly beyond the historic doubling-every-18-months trajectory. Feldman discusses the shift from simple AI tasks to complex reasoning models that require exponentially more computational power, explaining how unlimited tokens enable unlimited reasoning when given sufficient time. He addresses growing concerns about AI sovereignty, noting that governments and regulated industries increasingly prefer domestic open-source alternatives to avoid dependency on either US tech giants or Chinese models. The conversation explores the balance between innovation velocity and responsible deployment, with Feldman defending measured government review of powerful new models while warning against excessive regulation. In the second segment, Robin Rombach, CEO of Black Forest Labs, discusses his company's work on open-source and proprietary image and video generation models. He reveals that legendary director Martin Scorsese is actively using their AI tools to visualize scenes for upcoming films, describing sessions where Scorsese iterated on images of Eastern European village settings. Rombach explains the evolution from simple text-to-image systems to sophisticated multimodal models that combine images, video, and audio while predicting actions for robotic applications. He sees the technology converging toward world action models that can both create synthetic content and control robots in the physical environment. The episode captures a pivotal moment as AI transitions from experimental technology to production infrastructure reshaping global power consumption, geopolitics, creative industries, and the nature of human-computer interaction.

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Geopolitics

Cerebras CEO warns AI sovereignty concerns driving governments away from Chinese models

Andrew Feldman revealed that concerns about AI sovereignty and data security are pushing governments and enterprises toward domestic open-source alternatives, as current options are limited to either OpenAI's OSS 12B or Chinese models. The US government's pause on certain AI releases has heightened European awareness of dependency risks, driving demand for locally-controlled AI infrastructure and models, particularly in regulated industries like finance and healthcare.

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Geopolitics

Every nation racing to build AI infrastructure as Kazakhstan and Armenia join buildout

The global AI infrastructure race has expanded beyond traditional tech hubs to include unexpected nations like Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Armenia, and Georgia, all building massive data centers. These facilities will consume more power in the next several years than the previous 50 years of global data center construction, with individual buildings drawing electricity comparable to midsize cities, according to Cerebras CEO Andrew Feldman.

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Entertainment

Martin Scorsese uses AI image generation to visualize scenes for upcoming films

Legendary director Martin Scorsese is actively using Black Forest Labs' AI image generation tools to visualize scenes for potential films, according to CEO Robin Rombach. The director demonstrated the technology by iterating on images of an Eastern European village setting, using AI as a medium to communicate his creative vision more effectively than language alone, similar to how directors traditionally use storyboards but with dramatically faster iteration.

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AI & Tech

Cerebras CEO reveals $25 billion backlog as AI demand outstrips infrastructure capacity

Andrew Feldman, CEO and founder of Cerebras, disclosed that his AI chip company has accumulated a $25 billion backlog in orders, with customers including OpenAI, Anthropic, SpaceX, and Google placing orders before chips are even finished. Feldman explained that unlike typical technology booms, companies are trying to fulfill existing demand rather than speculating on future needs, as AI infrastructure buildout requires more power than the previous 50 years of data center construction combined.

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AI & Tech

AI chip manufacturer breaks Moore's Law trajectory with new inference architecture

Cerebras has broken through the traditional Moore's Law limitation of doubling performance every 18 months, achieving significantly faster improvement rates with its new chip architecture designed specifically for AI inference. Feldman explained that newer architectures have more room for optimization than 20-year-old GPU designs that rely primarily on smaller fabrication nodes, positioning Cerebras to accelerate the reasoning capabilities now central to AI advancement.

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