Andy Ngo Exposes the Death Cult "The Zizians"

Investigative journalist Andy Ngo appeared on the show to discuss his forthcoming book The Zizians: Inside a Trans Death Cult, scheduled for release October 13th. Ngo reveals that his year-and-a-half investigation uncovered a trans-identified death cult operating across the United States with international membership, allegedly linked to at least eight violent deaths. The journalist, who spent a decade reporting on Antifa, says he first noticed disproportionate trans representation among violent riot suspects arrested during the 2020 BLM protests in Portland and other cities, which led him to investigate further. Ngo describes receiving occult-based death threats and hexes from trans activists who he says believe they successfully killed previous targets through blood curses. He argues that trans ideology's rejection of biological reality and embrace of occult practices, combined with activists' belief they face genocide, creates an imperative for violent direct action. The conversation addressed what Ngo characterizes as a dangerous feedback loop where mainstream professionals including teachers and nurses celebrate political violence, affirming extremism. Both Ngo and the hosts criticized conspiracy theorists on the right for misdirecting attention away from what they describe as growing domestic terrorism from the trans activist movement. The episode emphasized polling showing self-described progressives aged 18-39 are most willing to justify political violence, and discussed radicalization within Democratic Socialists of America and similar groups. Ngo's book is positioned as a true crime investigation rather than political commentary, featuring witness interviews, field research, and previously unseen evidence about the alleged death cult and broader patterns of trans-related violence.

• Andy Ngo's investigation uncovered a trans death cult called the Zizians allegedly linked to at least eight violent deaths across the United States with international membership.
• Ngo first noticed disproportionate trans representation among violent riot suspects during 2020 BLM protests in Portland and Seattle before investigating further.
• Trans activists are sending occult-based death threats and hexes to Ngo, claiming they successfully killed previous targets including someone named Charlie through blood curses.
• Mainstream professionals including teachers and nurses are celebrating political violence against perceived opponents, creating a feedback loop that affirms violent extremism according to Ngo.
• Self-described progressives aged 18-39 are the largest demographic telling pollsters that political violence is sometimes justified to achieve political ends.
• Trans activists believe gender is existential to their identity, viewing ideological opposition as genocide that justifies violent direct action in response.
• Ngo argues right-wing conspiracy theorists are misdirecting attention from genuine domestic terrorism threats posed by increasingly radicalized trans activist movements and organizations like DSA.