What happened in this episode?
Thomas DeLauer interviews fitness creator Mike R Holland about intermittent fasting, diet simplicity, movement practices and how personal philosophy shaped his routines. Holland says he typically keeps an 18–20 hour daily fasting window and has shifted his eating window earlier (roughly noon to 6pm) to avoid going to bed soon after a large meal. He frames his approach as “mimic fasting” rather than strict fasting, saying he avoids carbohydrates and sugar outside the feeding window but may still have bulletproof coffee and olive oil.
Holland attributes his interest in fasting to what he describes as long-running gut problems following staph infections from grappling and repeated antibiotic use, which he says “destroy[ed]” his microbiome. The pair discuss autophagy in broad terms; DeLauer describes it as a process that increases under energy deficit and argues it is better thought of as a dial rather than a switch.
The conversation moves into discipline, training and mental health. Holland describes a childhood shaped by a strict Vietnam veteran father, and says he has trained consistently since early adolescence. He outlines a daily routine centred on short morning “activation” work and circuit-style functional training, prioritising capability and sustainability over maximal lifting. Holland also claims that over the past three years “plant medicine” experiences helped him find peace after decades of comparison and shame.
They finish with a critique of incentives in healthcare and pharmaceuticals, arguing that profit motives and institutional bandwidth can leave patients over-reliant on systems rather than personal responsibility and prevention.