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The political philosophy that changed the world | Jonathan Rauch: Full Interview

Big Think · 2 October 2026 · 1h 30m · 5 Egleze moments
The political philosophy that changed the world | Jonathan Rauch: Full Interview ▶

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Jonathan Rauch, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, presents liberalism as a “social technology” built on rules rather than rulers, cooperation rather than coercion, and equality rather than hierarchy. He frames three interlocking liberal systems—markets, democracy and “liberal science”—as mechanisms for producing prosperity, freedom, peace and reliable knowledge, and argues that truth-seeking depends on a “constitution of knowledge” embedded in professional norms across science, journalism and law.

Rauch says that system is under strain from two directions: “cancel culture” tactics he associates with parts of the academic left, and mass disinformation he links to right-wing populism and authoritarian propaganda methods. He claims Donald Trump has mastered a “fire hose of falsehood” approach aimed at disorientating the public, and warns that when governments propagate “alternative facts” they risk “flirting” with totalitarian governance. He also argues that elements of the MAGA movement are beginning to resemble a “21st century version of American fascism”, while emphasising that US institutions still constrain executive power.

In the final section, Rauch argues liberalism is intentionally “thin” on life’s meaning and relies on external moral sources, including Christianity. An atheist Jew, he says he has come to see healthy Christianity as a “loadbearing wall” for democracy, while criticising the politicisation of parts of white evangelicalism. He highlights “civic theology” and cites the LDS church’s support for a 2022 compromise on same-sex marriage recognition and religious protections as a model for pluralistic co-existence.

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Politics

Jonathan Rauch says Trump uses “fire hose of falsehood” tactics to disorient the public

Jonathan Rauch · at 47:31 · Attributed speaker claim
Along comes a guy in America who understands this. His name is Donald J. Trump. He is, in my opinion, the most sophisticated propaganda operative since certain people in the 1930s who I won't name.

Brookings senior fellow Jonathan Rauch argues that modern disinformation aims less to persuade than to overwhelm audiences with contradictory claims. He says Donald Trump understands and deploys this approach, which he links to the “fire hose of falsehood” propaganda model.

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Politics

Jonathan Rauch alleges “false narratives” are being driven through parts of the US government

Jonathan Rauch · at 49:59 · Attributed speaker claim
The challenges to basic reality now control crucial branches of the federal government. So you have people in places like the Justice Department waging prosecutions of the president's political antagonists and enemies and just people he has grudges against based on what lawyers in the administration know are not true narratives or not violation of law.

Jonathan Rauch claims that what he calls “challenges to basic reality” have reached into key parts of the federal government. He alleges politically motivated use of the Justice Department and says government bodies have promoted what he describes as plainly false narratives, including claims that an election was stolen.

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Faith & Spirituality

Jonathan Rauch says white evangelicals have become leading supporters of a “least Christlike” political figure

Jonathan Rauch · at 1:12:18 · Attributed speaker claim
We've seen the elevation. Um the strongest supporters in the country of the least Christlike figure possibly to emerge in modern times are white evangelical Christians.

Jonathan Rauch argues that parts of the white evangelical church in the US have become closely aligned with Republican politics. He says this has helped elevate what he calls the “least Christlike figure” to have emerged in modern times, and he describes a “church of fear” and “battlefield mindset” reported by some pastors.

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Society

Jonathan Rauch says he was “flat wrong” to celebrate US secularisation as religion declined

Jonathan Rauch · at 1:14:33 · Attributed speaker claim
But I wrote in praise of what I called apaththeism. And by that I meant secularization, which is I was looking at the numbers showing that Americans were becoming less religious. And I said, "Isn't that great?"

Jonathan Rauch says he once praised what he called “apaththeism” as Americans became less religious, but now believes he was mistaken after what he describes as rapid “dechurching”. He links the shift to loneliness, isolation, anger and “toxic partisanship”, arguing that political identities can replace religious meaning.

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Society

Rauch says LDS backed 2022 same-sex marriage compromise as pluralism model

Jonathan Rauch · at 1:26:24 · Attributed speaker claim
They actually supported a piece of landmark compromise legislation in 2022 which federally recognized my same-sex marriage which is against their church doctrine while also enshrining in the very same law protections for their church to not have to recognize that marriage.

Jonathan Rauch says the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints offers an example of what he calls “civic theology” through negotiation and mutual accommodation. He points to the church’s support for 2022 federal legislation recognising same-sex marriage while including protections for religious institutions.