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Naveen Rao: 4D Computing, AI's Energy Wall & Beating Biology

All-In Podcast · 21 September 2026 · 22m · 2 Egleze moments
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Naveen Rao, co-founder and CEO of Unconventional AI and a former Intel AI executive, outlines a hardware-led attempt to push generative AI beyond what he describes as an impending energy constraint. He argues that electricity has become the dominant bottleneck for data centres, offering a back-of-the-envelope estimate that one major company’s AI services could already be consuming gigawatts of power and predicting the industry could hit an “energy wall” within roughly three years if model size and demand keep rising.

Rao’s core claim is that his company has built what he calls a “dynamical computer” that co-locates compute and memory, avoiding much of the energy spent moving data in conventional von Neumann architectures. Drawing on dynamical systems concepts (including synchronisation examples), he describes an oscillator-based generative model the company open-sourced as a demonstration.

He then says, for the first time publicly, that Unconventional AI has taped out a chip and has it back in the lab, showing “first ever images” generated from the physical system. Rao claims the prototype operates at “500 or so nano per image”, asserting orders-of-magnitude better energy efficiency than GPU-based generation, while also describing sparsity techniques intended to improve scalability and trainability.

In brief Q&A, Rao says the path to a product is a rack-scale data-centre system managed like a VM, with an estimated two-year timeline, and that existing models would require work to port at the model layer rather than the operations layer.

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Naveen Rao says his team built a dynamical computing chip in five months

Naveen Rao · at 15:19 · Attributed speaker claim
And so, this is actually the first time I'm talking about this publicly. This is uh I wanted to do it at this venue because I think uh um it's a really big deal. This is actually the first physical dynamical computer ever built. uh, we did this in 5 months.

Naveen Rao told an on-stage talk carried in the All-In Podcast feed that his company built what he described as the first “physical dynamical computer” in about five months. He said the firm started work in earnest in January, taped out the design on 1 June, and has the chip back in its lab with early results.

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Naveen Rao claims taped-out chip generated images using about 500 nano per image

Naveen Rao · at 15:49 · Attributed speaker claim
The chip is back in our lab, and we actually have results from it. So, these are the first ever images generated from such a computer. Now, great, cool. But does it do anything useful uh beyond just um uh images? you can actually do any kind of a task like sequence modeling or or language models. But the interesting thing here is it's only five 500 or so nano per image.

Naveen Rao said in a public talk on the All-In Podcast feed that his team taped out a chip design on 1 June, received the chip back in its lab, and generated images he described as a first for this kind of computer. He claimed it used about 500 nano of energy per image and said GPUs are on the order of millijoules, which he attributed to reduced data movement.