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The Truth About the Brown Recluse | This Podcast Will Kill You 219

This Podcast Will Kill You · 18 August 2026 · 56m · 4 Egleze moments
The Truth About the Brown Recluse | This Podcast Will Kill You 219 ▶

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Hosts Erin Welsh and Erin Allmann Updyke examine the biology, venom, and medical folklore surrounding the brown recluse spider (Loxosceles reclusa), arguing its reputation in much of the US is exaggerated relative to its geographic range and typical clinical outcomes. Welsh explains how components of recluse venom—particularly sphingomyelinase D—can damage cell membranes and, in some cases, trigger tissue necrosis and systemic illness, while emphasising that many bites produce mild or no symptoms and that wound healing often occurs without major intervention.

A major focus is diagnostic uncertainty: the hosts say definitive diagnosis generally requires capturing the spider and having it identified by an expert, and they list a wide differential for necrotic skin lesions, including bacterial infections and cutaneous anthrax. They discuss literature suggesting substantial overdiagnosis, including a survey in which most patients seeking care for “spider bites” were assessed as having been bitten by other arthropods, and a review of case reports in which only a small fraction were confirmed with spider identification.

Allmann Updyke traces how the brown recluse became medically notorious from early case reports through a mid-20th-century surge in attention, and adds ecological context: limited dispersal means sightings outside the core range are often linked to human transport. The episode closes by arguing that fear and disgust towards spiders can hinder balanced risk communication and conservation of ecologically important predators.

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This Podcast Will Kill You
Published
18 August 2026
Duration
56m
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Health, Longevity & Biohacking

Brown recluse deaths are reported, but none were confirmed by spider ID

at 21:16 · Attributed speaker claim
However, has it? We don't really know because there were eight reported deaths in the US that were attributed to brown recluse bites between 1983 and 2004. None of these were actually confirmed by spider identification.

Host Erin Welsh says the medical literature contains reports attributing eight US deaths (1983–2004) to brown recluse bites, but none of the cases were confirmed by identification of the spider. She adds that while severe systemic effects are described, it remains unclear how often (or whether) confirmed brown recluse envenomation is fatal in practice.

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Health, Longevity & Biohacking

Cutaneous anthrax in 2001 was misdiagnosed as a brown recluse bite

at 23:14 · Attributed speaker claim
And brown recluses are not ubiquitous across this country. So they're often diagnosed in areas that they don't even actually exist, which is wild to me.

Host Erin Allmann Updyke recounts published examples of suspected brown recluse bites later found to be other conditions, including a case during the 2001 US anthrax bioterrorism episode that was initially misdiagnosed as a recluse bite. She argues that clinicians can over-attribute necrotic skin lesions to brown recluse spiders, including in regions where the spiders are not established.

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Health, Longevity & Biohacking

Survey of ‘spider bites’ found 80% were caused by other arthropods

at 28:40 · Attributed speaker claim
there's uh one report that I thought was really interesting showed that of the 600 people they did like a survey who sought help for a spider bite at hospitals in LA and Arizona, 80% of those bites were caused by other arthropods entirely. So like not spiders, not spiders.

Erin Allmann Updyke cites a report of 600 patients presenting to hospitals in Los Angeles and Arizona for suspected spider bites, saying 80% were attributed to non-spider arthropods. The hosts frame it as evidence that spider bites—brown recluse bites in particular—are commonly over-suspected compared with other more likely causes.

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Science

Spiders consume 400–800 million tonnes of insects annually, hosts say

at 39:42 · Attributed speaker claim
Each year, spiders consume between 400 and 800 million tons of insects around the globe. Whoa. By comparison, humans consume around 400 tons of meat and fish every year.

Discussing spider ecology, Erin Allmann Updyke cites an estimate that spiders collectively consume 400–800 million tonnes of insects per year worldwide, and contrasts it with a figure she gives for annual human meat and fish consumption. She presents the comparison to argue spiders are major predators that help suppress insect populations, including agricultural pests.