What happened in this episode?
Julian Dorey speaks with Jesse Michels about prominent figures in US UAP discourse and whether public “disclosure” could involve a mix of genuine information and intelligence-driven messaging. Michels discusses Lue Elizondo and Christopher Mellon as insider-adjacent messengers, and recounts that a recorded interview he did with Elizondo in Wyoming was never released because, he believes, Elizondo was not permitted to do media at the time.
The conversation turns to David Grusch. Michels says he met Grusch in 2021 after being introduced by a Space Force-linked contact during venture-capital due diligence, and describes Grusch as unusually detail-oriented and sincere compared with other UFO personalities. Michels says Grusch became frustrated trying to pursue reforms internally and eventually opted to go public, partly for protection; he also alleges Grusch described “shots across the bow” directed at him and his family before July 2023.
Michels claims Grusch initially sought publication through mainstream outlets, asserting that the Washington Post and New York Times did not run the story, and he speculates about editorial resistance at the Times. Elsewhere, Michels outlines speculative links between historical gravity research (including the Townsend Brown “asymmetric capacitor” experiments) and recurring UAP narratives, while cautioning that some details remain uncorroborated. Throughout, both speakers treat UAP claims as requiring investigation, while acknowledging uncertainty and possible compartmentalisation or ulterior motives within government and contractor ecosystems.
